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Poster: GennyBenni Date: Jun 15, 2009 5:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: mystery revealed

http://www.deadnetstore.com/Commerce/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductGuid=22ec4aec-deb3-47ee-9298-01d8f248556d

There you are...

Everybody make sure to get these concerts in full before they're yanked!

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Jun 15, 2009 5:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: mystery revealed

Thanks for the link, GenniBenni. Interesting graphics. I got your 1/4" jack RIGHT HERE! hee hee...

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Poster: veblen Date: Jun 15, 2009 5:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: oh, it is june 16th...

Road Trips Vol. 2, No. 3

Price: $19.98

Celebrating the 35th anniversary of the spectacular Wall of Sound, we invite you on a sonic excursion into back-to-back shows from June of '74. Propelled by the heart-thumping power of the Wall, these shows capture the band during a period of heightened intensity and brilliant musicianship.


Disc one finds the Wall of Sound towering over the State Fairgrounds in Des Moines, Iowa for a Thursday, June 16th show that's loaded with beautifully inventive jams and inspired transitions. Amazing moments abound, like the 29-minute odyssey of "Playing In The Band" that blissfully dives into space and brings us back again. Disc two picks up two days later at Freedom Hall in Louisville, Kentucky. This legendary setlist includes a brain-melting jam that rolls from "Weather Report Suite" through "It's A Sin."


Of course early orders will also receive the bonus disc that's packed with exceptional tracks, like the "Morning Dew" encore from Louisville and the massive "Truckin'" into "Wharf Rat" jam from Des Moines.


Once again Jeffrey Norman has worked his magic on the soundboard masters so we can experience all this classic Dead in crisp-and-clear HDCD. The set also comes with an essay by Dennis McNally and of course photos of the band - and their mighty Wall of Sound.


Please note: Orders will ship on or before Thursday, June 18

Tracklist:

CD 1 - State Fairgrounds, Des Moines, IA 6/16/74

1. China Cat Sunflower>

2. I Know You Rider

3. The Race Is On

4. Eyes of the World>

5. Big River

6. U.S. Blues

7. Playing In The Band

CD 2 - Freedom Hall, Louisville, KY 6/18/74

1. Loose Lucy

2. Eyes of the World>

3. China Doll

4. Weather Report Suite>

5. Jam>

6. Other One>

7. It's A Sin Jam>

8. Stella Blue

Bonus CD

1. Morning Dew (6/18/74)

2. Around and Around (6/18/74)

3. Deal (6/16/74)

4. Greatest Story Ever Told (6/16/74)

5. Truckin'> (6/16/74)

6. Nobody's Jam> (6/16/74)

7. Wharf Rat (6/16/74)

8. GDTRFB (6/16/74)

9. Sugar Magnolia (6/18/74)




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Poster: barongsong Date: Jun 15, 2009 6:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: oh, it is june 16th...

Clueless, I can't believe they didn't release either show in it's entirety. Picking 2 of the best known and sounding shows and cutting them into pieces is just plain dumb. I thought Roadtrips was about grabbing some of the best moments from a period or tour. It's like cutting up 2 perfect gems to make a thousand rings. Boooooo!!!

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Poster: Tidewater four ten O nine Date: Jun 15, 2009 10:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: oh, it is june 16th...

Agreed - I'm glad that I 'secured' my own full copies of these two shows a few months ago so all isn't lost but, even though I'd be duplicating these shows, I'd almost certainly have purchased the official 'tidied-up' versions if they had been released in full. Not sure whether I'll bother with this 'chopped-up and patched together' collection.

Never mind - we can still dream!

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Poster: Miss Divine Date: Jun 16, 2009 10:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: oh, it is june 16th...

Poop...I need the 16th in this case.

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Poster: Miss Divine Date: Jun 16, 2009 11:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: oh, it is june 16th...

Ah, I have it already...damn my sloppy archiving!

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Poster: snori Date: Jun 16, 2009 1:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: oh, it is june 16th...

I picked these up some time ago. Even with carriage costs it's still quite a good price (particularly if Sterling goes up a bit). So I will get it, perhaps do a 'cut & paste' if that will be an improvement on the old copies.

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Poster: srtg83 Date: Jun 16, 2009 6:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: oh, it is june 16th...

Snori is right.

Just do a "cut and paste" of the RT into the full show you already have. That is how I have dealt with all DP and RT partial releases.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jun 15, 2009 5:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: oh, it is june 16th...

Pretty fucking weak that performances of this caliber are not released in their entirety...

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Poster: hseamons Date: Jun 15, 2009 7:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: oh, it is june 16th...

THEY WOULD MAKE MORE MONEY IF THEY RELEASED JUST ONE OF THOSE SHOWS IN ITS ENTIRETY, LET ALONE TWO!!!!!!!! Unbelievable.

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Poster: elkdog Date: Jun 15, 2009 6:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: oh, it is june 16th...

Agreed. '74 may be my favorite year, and I would have paid for a complete show release of either show, but won't fork out for this compilation.

Disclaimer- The Winterland '73 box set made me happier than anything the band has put out. That was recent enough that I'm still considering them to be in a grace period.

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Poster: GennyBenni Date: Jun 15, 2009 6:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: oh, it is june 16th...

yeah... they should have done these shows dick's picks 29-style, both complete shows on as many fucking discs as it takes! seriously though - do they think we wouldn't pay for the full shows? it would be so worth it. i love what jeff norman does with these tapes, man.

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Poster: rastamon Date: Jun 15, 2009 6:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: oh, it is june 16th...

a payday must for me!!! though i have Freedom Hall, not Iowa..can't wait to feast on a mindmeldin Playin.
but for the wait a month roadtrip bluez!

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Jun 15, 2009 8:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: mystery revealed

pros

it's 2 prime 74 shows, particularly an all timer 06-18
not a bad price for three discs $19.98

cons

split up, desperately needs a fourth disc between these two shows, or be played in thier entirety


the verdict is that I'll make a rare commercial pruchase and buy it just because it's 06-16 & 06-18 and I presume the quality will be sick...these are shows that Dick would have put out at some point I'm sure...


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Poster: light into ashes Date: Jun 15, 2009 9:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: mystery revealed

This was Dick's opinion of these shows:
"The 6/16 & 6/18 shows are usually praised pretty highly, but I think that is mostly because of the great sound quality and that we got these in tape trading circles over 22 years ago. They ain't shabby. But they do come up lacking when compared to what followed a week later."

(this & more at http://agitators.com/gd/ )

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Jun 16, 2009 9:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: mystery revealed

really? to be honest I was only in agreement with Dick about 60% of the time anyway...I love the 06-23, 06-26 and 06-28 shows but they are comparable to 06-16 and 06-18...06-18 to me is a classic show, yes it's in good quality, but alot of '74 is and has been...I still take 06-18 over the later June shows...

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Jun 15, 2009 7:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: mystery revealed

Figures that they'd chop up two shows like this. It reminds me of the Aug & Sept '74 Dick's Picks....
15 songs are cut from 6/16, and 11 from 6/18 - (many are repeats, so about 17 unique songs) - but then, all of them are the little first-set type songs that turn up in every '74 show.
So I have mixed feelings about it.... Those who have the shows already, of course, need not care. And many Archive denizens would prefer that no shows be released at all!

If this had been a Dick's Pick it would have been 4 CDs. The Road Trips format is turning out to be quite strict....2 CDs plus a bonus....(and of course, the bonus is only for the early buyers, so next year this will be just a 2-CD set). I'd hoped for more variety!

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Poster: SkyDawg Date: Jun 15, 2009 9:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: mystery revealed

I hate to complain about too much of a good thing, or even a good year, but 1974 again?? Let's see, starting way back you have Steal Your Face, The Grateful Dead Movie Soundtrack (5 discs), Dick's Picks #7 (3 discs), Dick's Picks 12 (3 discs), Dick's Picks 24 (2 discs), Dick's Picks 31 (4 discs) and now a 3 disc Road Trips. That's about 21 discs.

1966- "Rare Cuts & Oddities" (1 disc) Birth of The Dead (2 discs) Total 3 discs.
1967- None
1968- Two From The Vault (2 discs), Download Series 6 (1 disc), Dick's Picks 22 (2 discs) Road Trips 2:2 (3 discs w/bonus disc. Total 8 discs.
1969- Live Dead (1 disc) 2/11/69 (2 discs) Dick's Picks 16 (3 discs), Dick's Picks 26 (2 discs) Fillmore West 1969 (3 discs or 10 discs depending on if you have the limited edition complete FW 1969 set.) Download Series 12 (2 discs) Total: 13-20 discs. Well represented.
1970- Bear's Choice (1 disc), Dick's Picks 4 (3 discs), Dick's Picks 8 (3 discs), Download Series 2 (1 disc), Download Series: A Night At The Family Dog (1 disc) Total 9 discs.

I hope someday to hear a Road Trips from 1967, more '68, and especially 1970 for a change. 1969, 1971, '72, '73 (although a '73 Summer show would be nice), '74 and '77 are represented pretty well. The '80's and '90's not so much, but I would love more from '66-'70 myself.


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Poster: light into ashes Date: Jun 15, 2009 9:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: mystery revealed

Well - by now we're getting to the point where almost all the early years are "well-represented"! But that doesn't mean everyone has to clamor for more '80s/90s shows....

Anyway, this quote about the vault's contents is worth repeating:
"Recordings date back to three shows in 1967; there are 20 taped concerts from the following year. Almost everything from 1970 is missing, but most tapes from 1972 to 1974 are on hand. The Vault contains 70 per cent of recordings from 1976 to 1978; 40 per cent from 1979-82, [no info about 83-84,] most from 1985-86, but only 30 per cent from 1987. The final touring years, 1988 to 1995, are well documented. Missing tapes were given away or taken and not returned."

With only three 1967 shows available, I think a '67 release is highly unlikely - I can easily imagine an October '68 Road Trips someday, though. '69 is tricky because so much of it was recorded on cassettes rather than reels (plus it had the box set), so they might avoid that year. (Summer '69 would be an excellent Road Trips timezone, though.) 1970, we are out of luck - all they have is Jan-June (and some December), and even that has huge gaps.

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Poster: SkyDawg Date: Jun 15, 2009 11:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: mystery revealed

According to Dick Latvala tapes from the first half of 1970 do exist though. There is a nice photo in the Tapers Compendium of this slot of shows on the vault shelves and there are certainly quite a few gems there, and seem to span January through June give or take, not exactly "almost nothing". I for one would love a vault copy of 4/15/70, or some of the February Fillmore West shows or June Fillmore West shows. As for 1967, the Shrine shows on 10" reels would make a nice Road Trip for '67.

Here is an interesting quote from the Taping Compendium:
"As considerable as the Dead's vault holdings are, there are numerous gaps, the most conspicuous of which is undoubtably the second half of 1970. Barely any tapes exist in the vault from June of that year through February of 1971. Interviews with many in-house engineers at the time leave it unclear where those recordings are, although all are certain they once existed."

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Jun 16, 2009 2:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: 1970 rundown

I was intrigued by reading that there were three '67 shows in the vault....definitely 9/3 and 10/22 - deadlists suggests that the Nov. Shrine shows are there, but Lemieux has never played them on the Taper's Section. Pieces of 9/3 have been released already - but I agree the Shrine shows would be an essential release choice, if the masters still exist.

As for 1970 - I think they have all of Jan/Feb, although the Fillmore West Feb 5 + 7 shows seem to have missing reels. (It would be great if they could share the complete Feb 8 show in sbd someday, though!)
March is when we start running into holes - no sbd's for March 7 or 21 (damn!) - the Fillmore West run of April 9-12 is all chopped up with several reels missing (curses!) - God knows what happened to the April 24-26 shows, they must have been taped (alas!) - and then May is a nightmare, no sbd's for May 3, 7, 8, 9 (complete), 10, 16, 17, or 21 (sigh...) - from June, Lemieux has shared a bit more of the June 4 + 12 shows with us, but apparently there are no sbd's from June 19, 21, or 24 - then there's the Canada run, which I'm not sure if the Dead taped, but parts of shows were taped by the film crew, and some of these are in the vault - then the Fillmore East July 9-12 run seems not to have been taped - which is tragic considering how great those shows were, and I wonder where our faithful Fillmore stagecrew tapers were that week?
So those are the holes in early 1970 - at least there are some surviving shows for us to dry our tears with....

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Poster: SkyDawg Date: Jun 16, 2009 1:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1970 rundown

Regarding the '67 Shrine shows, the interview with Latvala in the Taping Compendium Vol 1 confirms that they do indeed exist. Latvala said the Shrine shows were the first shows that were taped on 10" reels. I would love to hear those.

My theory on all the missing shows from 1970 is that many of them were simply borrowed and never returned. The audio engineers claim the shows were recorded. Kidd Candelario, who is also interviewed in the same volume of the compendium, relates how the vault was open to everyone in the Dead's scene at that time and that people were constantly in and out borrowing tapes and that he believes he is one of the few who returned all of the tapes in their possession. The 9/19/70 reels for example, did not turn up until the 90's, and we all know the story of the '71 "Houseboat Tapes". Wait and hope I suppose.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Jun 16, 2009 9:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1970 rundown

Those are good interviews! - wish they'd gone into even more details....

Deadlists notes that the 11/67 master reels were originally kept at the Warner Brothers vault, where there was apparently some copying from one reel to another....so my concern was that if the GD vault just has copies of the original reels, that might rule out a release. Just speculation, though.

There was a discussion a while back about why 1970 has so much missing - besides Bear being absent, one theory was that the Dead's sound/recording crew went away on film-work for part of the year.
I'm not sure if that's adequate explanation, and I'm also skeptical that people would've stolen practically every show from Aug-Nov, and nothing would have turned up since! (The May '70 outcome of about half-surviving and half-gone seems like it's the result of that kind of carelessness.) I figure either the Dead decided to just stop taping for several months, or some disaster happened to a pile of reels in storage somewhere. Just more speculation, though....

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Poster: veblen Date: Jun 15, 2009 11:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: mystery revealed

can't forget that there are three commercial releases from the first five months of 70:

DP #8-05-07 (binghamton)
DS #2-01-18 (portland)
DS #11-02-04 (family dog) (at least I think it is #11 though I don't see it labeled on dead.net)

btw: it always makes me dizzy just thinking of a 67-11-10&11 release...

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Poster: billydlions Date: Jun 15, 2009 6:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: mystery revealed

The problem that I've always had with 1973 & 1974 is that there are so many songs that seem under-developed compared to later years. Songs like Jack Straw, Brown Eyed Women, Scarlet (and many others) became much better by 1977, IMO of course. The longer jams, like Playin or Truckin, lost some of the edge that existed in 1972 and were more spacey.

I've yet to here a show that I believe is better than the best of '72 or '77 so for that reason I'm going to pass on this one. I know that I'm a typical opinionated deadhead but am always open to hear where I've gone wrong if someone wants to enlighten me.

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Poster: GennyBenni Date: Jun 15, 2009 7:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: mystery revealed

I hear you. To me there was a crispiness to '74 that is really enthralling, and there are some songs performed in '73-'74 that were never beat - Eyes Of The World, for instance. I like '77 renditions of that song but none were as badass as the ones from the earlier years.

I've come to see these eras as old friends that I keep coming back to. '68 is like a little brother - playful, violent and mischievous... '72 is like a sleek, hungry cheetah, wild but disciplined when it needs to be... the rest of the eras each have their own unique flavors as well. I consider '73 and '74 to be the most "challenging" if that makes any sense... too much and I'll have an overdose of sorts, just because it's so meaty. '77 is like ripe strawberries. Or candy. It's delicious, but some of it makes you a little sick.

This is all my opinion, of course.